One of two Christmas gifts for the friends of Gwaith-i-Phethdain is Sindarin translation of a fragment of Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth or ‘The Debate of. That is not the voice that the Wise hear out of the darkness and from beyond it. Nay, lord, the Wise among Men say: “We were not made. It takes the form of a conversation between Finrod and a human wisewoman named Andreth, who talk about the relationship between elves.

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She asked if candles Elves pity moths Menand Finrod asked in response if moths pitied candles when the wind blew them out. The Converse of Finrod and Andreth. Andreth countered that the re-making cannot be achieved while Finrod remained in the hope that it would. This hope was simply that One would enter into Arda, heal man from their wound, which Andreth seemed to think was death and mend all the Marring from beginning to end. He said he would tell him, but he may as well tell her ahtrabeth to weep.

Paul boasts that Christ has taken the sting out of death, and he also says that the wages of sin is death. For you speak of death and his shadow, as if to escape from the Shadow was to escape also from Death.

The Eldar said that Men do not see things for what they are. Combined with the notes that follow it, it really is some zh the most fascinating reading on the nature and fate of elves and men i’ve come across. So I deem, or death would not be found at all in this world which he did not design but Another.


This page was last modified on 29 Julyat He explained that they were both Eru’s children. Await us there, my brother — and me.

Although it is a serious and passionate work, its purpose was to show the imaginary andretb of The Silmarillion with an example of what ideas the curious and intelligent minds on either side, Elvish and Human, may have discussed after they became acquainted. Beyond that, they know nothing. Indeed if fish had fish-lore and Wise-fish, it is probable that the business of anglers would be very little hindered.

Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth

You are commenting using your WordPress. And perhaps Cain’s line had the shortest lifespans in the Pre-Flood world, maybe all the Humans who figured Prominently in the Silmarilion would have been from Cain, both the Edain and the ones following the Enemy.

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He truly wished to understand the Atani. Men amdreth become the agents through which Arda is re-made. Did they hear the end of the Music?

The lore did not have the concept that they would die when the world died, as the Eldar did she had only just learned that knowledge from him. Contents 1 Introduction 2 The debate 2.


For Men, the spirit and the body are disjointed. Not wishing to be misinterpreted, or for some other reason, Tolkien also composed a substantial commentary—from his own, external point of view—with commentary ON the commentary. In other languages Deutsch Suomi. BelegApr 22, Sep 30, Messages: We considered only dying and not-dying.


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Andreth had trouble accepting this, questioning again whether the Nameless is lord of the world, and if their seeking of hope was little more than flight in a dream. This is what prompted the conversation it was more of a debate, really between Finrod and Andreth at the first place. Are they asleep when they speak of escape and healing? It may be that death was a gift to Mankind after the marring of Arda, so that they may be released from the world until the the next was remade.

Finrod, Elf with a great interest in the origins and fate of Man, discusses both with Andreth, a wise Woman.

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Finrod did not know what that way may be though. Finrod understood, though Andreth did not know that he knew the situation at first, and that is why he was never offended by her bitterness towards the Elves or even the Valar. This they say also, or they feign, is a rumour that has come down through years uncounted, sndreth from the days of our undoing. Ahhrabeth was still saddened and questioned what memory she will go to, what halls, and if darkness itself would eventually quench the memory of the sharp flame.

When Men study one thing it is to learn something else, and when they love something, it is because it reminds them of something dearer.